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come Blast Off In My Time Machine sir I

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feel like an evizing Blast Off Blast Off

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Blast Off on another amazing episode of

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the hyper anomalous esoteric research

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organization podcast AKA hero paranormal

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broadcasting from the base at lamadre

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Mountain just south of Area 51 my name

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is Ryan the anomalous ambassador of the

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airwaves bringing you an unbelievable

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episode today

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for what seems like decades people have

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maintained that there are Technologies

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which can heal

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in ways that have not been readily

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accepted by the status quo in medical

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fields

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the technology has gone by many names it

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has been portrayed in science fiction

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novels and television shows

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but none has stuck in the minds of those

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discussing it as much as the term Med

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beds or medical beds

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a healing device using either photo

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biomodulation thermal or infrared light

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amongst other like Technologies to heal

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the human body from a variety of

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it seems as if these technology types

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are hitting mainstream medicine but not

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without some pushback

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why would some want to keep healing

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Technologies out of the reach of the

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masses there may be a variety of reasons

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but money making may be one of them

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as many have said before me there is no

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money in The Cure

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keep patients coming back to hospitals

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and the like and Pockets will bulge well

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we have an expert to help illuminate our

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way through the darker deeper questions

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surrounding a very light based

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technology helping many to recover from

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serious ailments the med bed Master Dr

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Robert Bowen

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Dr Bowen received his degree in

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chemistry from the University of

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Illinois in 1974. and he received his MD

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degree from the University of Illinois

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College of Medicine in 1978. he

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completed residency in Internal Medicine

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and fellowships in critical care Madison

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pulmonary medicine sleep medicine

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cosmetic laser surgery as well as

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liposuction body contouring and is a

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fellow of the American College of Chest

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American Society of laser medicine and

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surgery and American Academy of

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anti-aging medicine

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Dr Bowen is also professor and director

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of the center for wound care and

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Hyperbaric medicine at West Virginia

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University Berkeley Medical Center he is

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also the director of Robert Bowen MD

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specializing in cosmetic medicine and

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body contouring and the president of the

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foundation for

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photobiomodulation research

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a non-profit organization which Fosters

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research development and awareness of

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light-based medicine using the Synergy

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of academic clinical and Engineering

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partners

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his current research interests include

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procedures adipose derive regenerative

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photobiomodulation and pulse wave

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therapy he is board certified in

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Internal Medicine board certified in

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pulmonary disease Critical Care Medicine

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sleep medicine cosmetic laser surgery by

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and has a long list of academic

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appointments which are too long to

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mention he has current grants and he has

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presented on National and international

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levels at the American Academy of

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anti-aging medicine International

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Federation of Adipose Therapeutics and

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science National Society of cosmetic

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are too long to mention he is definitely

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the med bed Master Dr Bowen welcome to

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the hero paranormal podcast hey Ryan

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thanks a lot I appreciate the invitation

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this is an honor I have so many

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questions I know that you know about

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these Technologies more than just about

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anybody and I I've been uh fairly

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impressed at least by people I've talked

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to my wife is one of the people that has

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undertaken this therapy and it seems

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that it has a lot of amazing effects and

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I I have a ton of questions I'm not sure

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where to kick off but I want to ask in

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general if you could describe to our

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biomodulation therapy and smart medical

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bodies our cells every cell in our body

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has uh light acceptor uh structures in

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uh light helps us to make energy now the

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main source of our energy of course is

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from uh the combination of carbohydrates

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and oxygen uh that produces uh ATP but

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photobiomodulation is shown has been

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shown in many different types of tissues

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and many different uh from yeast all the

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way up to people uh that it has a very

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powerful effect on the energy producing

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part of the cell pardon me which is the

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so people say well this is you know how

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can this therapy be so great how can it

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work for everything well it doesn't work

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for everything but it works for all

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issues that use oxygen so that covers a

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technological advances have brought this

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therapy a little more to the Forefront

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of medicine it's being more readily

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there still appears to be pushback why

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um uh wanting wanting to take a pill for

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uh medicine or have uh or have surgery

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this therapy was first discovered in

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uh the idea that it came from which was

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Russia so there was that prejudice

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against any science that uh that came

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it started with that but Dr Mester who

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physician and also uh very interested in

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physics and when pardon me the

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point uh Einstein had predicted that

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electromagnetic radiation like gamma

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shaved their back and exposed them to

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different levels of energy with the

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laser and to his surprise none of them

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developed cancer but the ones at a

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certain dose grew their hair back faster

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having a stimulating effect not

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a repressive effect or or a damaging

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of the problem is that it's been uh it's

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a therapy that's been eat it's easy to

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literally uh no side effects

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um and because of that there's not much

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oversight uh in terms of uh uh from the

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FDA for example the SDA will clear these

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devices and say yeah they're fine to use

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positive effect and some Studies have

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been done with instruments that were not

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calibrated properly or just uh didn't

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healing and other applications but we

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uniformed University in Bethesda

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how this worked and once we've had that

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use for light therapy which is oral

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around their mouth and their jaw

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source which are extraordinarily painful

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to the point that a person uh may stop

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their chemo and just say I'd rather dive

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and go through this uh and the light

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that uh and it's uh really a spectacular

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cancer therapy uh there's another uh dry

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studies have been done and the data is

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in front of the FDA and I wouldn't be

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by the end of the year or the first

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quarter of next year that this won't be

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FDA approved device for treating drama

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macular degeneration so both of these

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companies both of these uh applications

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problems that there is no other solution

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because there isn't anything else and

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pill because pills don't help

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record and your interests as far as

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current research and I see that uh I was

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very impressed that you you're very

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involved with the isolation of adult

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stem cells from adipose tissue for

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different applications and that's

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something that I took part in and it

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completely cured me of two ripped

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shoulders and I even they they had some

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leftover material and they said where

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would you want this and I had tennis

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elbow in one arm which I had been told

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by doctors was incurable on various

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occasions I said well we might as well

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try it put it here and even that went

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away which I was completely blown away

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by so uh I definitely agree that the the

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current research in your interests not

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to mention all the community service

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you've done uh with Good Samaritan free

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clinics this is stuff that is really

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helping people and as Healthcare budgets

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by insurance companies come under

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increasing pressure

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I want to ask if this type of therapy do

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you think this will alleviate the

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Dilemma of these high prices in

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insurance policies

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well I think I certainly think it could

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help

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um and it's uh so it's so the uh the

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therapy of uh so photobiomodulation and

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other therapies that are uh uh being

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worked on for uh uh for age reversal or

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or anti-aging uh or that the preferred

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term now is uh

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if Health span so yes we want to live a

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longer life but not just a long not just

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a longer life but a healthier life uh

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and there's some resistance to that

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whole idea because

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um it's like okay well people are going

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to live longer uh they're older

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um and old people have old-fashioned

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ideas and young people have fresh new

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ideas so maybe we want to maybe it's

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fine for the old people to die off uh

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and maybe so if our population keeps

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growing there's not going to be enough

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there's not going to be enough food for

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everybody and there's not going to be

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enough jobs for everybody so that's uh

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you know always in the background uh uh

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and uh you know obviously our social

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security system if the average age that

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people die is going to be 115

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which it likely will be before the next

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uh before the start of the next Century

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uh then our uh Medicare and Social

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Security will be uh will be bankrupt uh

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in short order

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um but uh and this is this is kind of

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this isn't this is an ethical issue I

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think uh which maybe isn't talked about

342
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enough we talk about the science a lot

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but

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if we look at the top uh

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we look at the life expectancy of the

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top 10 percent of earners uh in the

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country it's 13 years longer than the

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bottom 10

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so so that's so that's so that's a

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problem right there but if aging is

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preventable with photobiomodulation with

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these any NAD therapies uh with uh

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gene expression modification with

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actually changing our DNA these

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Technologies are coming down the line

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and

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um

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and if it if it turns out that these are

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only available to people that are rich

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uh because they're expensive then this

361
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this divide will grow and grow and grow

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and to the point where people that are

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wealthy uh are able to that they're able

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to keep their their dogs can live to be

365
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70 years old then the rest of us are not

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going to take kindly to it and now

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you've got civil strife and revolution

368
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around the corner

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and I think that that this is this is

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the answer how can we so these

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Technologies need to be provided for

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everyone

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um

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and I think that we can do that if we

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have older if we by keeping uh older

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people uh alive and productive longer

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you've got more people uh and you have

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people with wisdom

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uh of experience

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to uh uh

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to care to uh it's all hands on deck in

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other words to solve these problems of

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uh uh of food food shortages and poverty

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and uh tyranny and bigotry all of these

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things uh require uh uh problems in

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society require all hands on deck and if

387
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we can save money with these

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Technologies as you say

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then we have uh well for example an

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older person of something that's been in

391
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the war is going to be very less likely

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to want to send more young men to

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another war and our military industrial

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complex and our medical industrial

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complex suck up a lot of the revenue of

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our economy and if we can reduce those

397
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we have more money for health care

398
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so the two things are related to each

399
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other uh the way I look at it so yeah so

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I'm glad that you brought this up

401
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because uh the science is fascinating to

402
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me uh on uh on that intellectual

403
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curiosity level but in terms of being

404
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uh

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that that's we will have an even larger

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impact

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there has been in my opinion a push a

408
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more private clinics are seen popping up

409
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everywhere and it does seem as if many

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of these treatments both light

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technologies that are light based and

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other Technologies are as well as the

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stem cells which in some states are not

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even legal but these definitely work and

415
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it does seem as if many times these

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treatments are not covered under

417
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Insurance what would it take to

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integrate this photo biomodulation

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therapy stem cell therapy Etc into the

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Healthcare System where insurances will

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actually start to cover them

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yeah so that's uh that's also that's

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also a real good question and that's

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something that we've been uh working on

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I would say the last 15 years uh and

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um with meetings at the optical Society

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of America

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uh and uh testifying before

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congressional committees is kind of

430
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where we started with that

431
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um but where it goes first

432
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so many of these devices for

433
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photobiomodulation in particular are FDA

434
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cleared okay so that term cleared means

435
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that what they've evaluated is to see

436
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whether it's safe for use uh or not uh

437
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FDA approved is another level where they

438
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say this device is approved uh to treat

439
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uh mucositis from cancer chemotherapy or

440
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blindness from macular degeneration so

441
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that requires a much that's a higher bar

442
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:56,400
to pass much higher so it's much more

443
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expensive and these laser companies uh

444
00:21:04,490 --> 00:21:02,880
LED companies do not have the kind of

445
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funds

446
00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:08,940
uh that Pfizer and glaxo have uh so and

447
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the system is built on Farm to to get

448
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approval for pharmaceuticals that's the

449
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system that's in place so we have to

450
00:21:23,450 --> 00:21:19,320
play their game even though uh uh you

451
00:21:26,690 --> 00:21:23,460
know were uh Pfizer and uh and glaxo

452
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were in the NFL were uh still in uh uh

453
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in height we're still playing the high

454
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school football

455
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um but um

456
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but at some point uh probably soon these

457
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larger corporations are going to see

458
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the benefits of this and buy out some of

459
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these smaller companies and then the

460
00:21:52,130 --> 00:21:48,840
revenue will be there to do the FDA

461
00:21:55,549 --> 00:21:52,140
studies the way that the company Luma

462
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:55,559
therea has done uh for uh for drug

463
00:22:01,370 --> 00:21:59,039
macular degeneration and once you get

464
00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:01,380
FDA approval there's still more steps

465
00:22:04,610 --> 00:22:03,059
there's many things that are FDA

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00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:04,620
approved that insurance still doesn't

467
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:08,520
pay for and that's true for it's true

468
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for uh cell therapies as you were saying

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also is that once you get

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the FDA approval now you have to go to

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CMS or the uh

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committee for Medicare

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so anyway don't forget what the acronym

474
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is but uh you go but they decide what

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Medicare and insurance companies are

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going to pay for and if it's deemed

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experimental uh as many of these

478
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therapies are then it's uh it's not

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going to get paid for it the thing is

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about most of these therapies are that

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they they don't necessarily have to be

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expensive the treatment for

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macular degeneration uh and we're

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talking about the two lines on the eye

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chart Improvement to make it to make it

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simple

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00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,740
is uh uh three three treatments a week

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for three weeks nine treatments at about

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thirty dollars a treatment so that's uh

490
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uh

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insurance covers it or not people will

492
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pay 210 dollars to save their eyesight

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mm-hmm uh

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so I I think that that's if we can if we

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can't get insurance to pay for it then

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we have to figure ways to make these uh

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treatments uh accessible uh

498
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um for people uh using their own money

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I agree and it at least in my experience

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00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:46,559
when I heard about this uh pop up well

501
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not a pop-up but this Clinic that it was

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new to me but I came to find out that

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many of my neighbors a lot of business

504
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associates of my wife word of mouth was

505
00:24:01,669 --> 00:23:58,980
spreading very quickly like wildfire

506
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actually about these treatments and how

507
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well they are working as far as light

508
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based Technologies and the like and I'm

509
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amazed at how safe they are the the fact

510
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that you mentioned that there are no

511
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side effects this is kind of a win-win

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even if insurance doesn't cover it

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there's really no reason not to do it if

514
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you can afford it

515
00:24:28,549 --> 00:24:24,720
uh yes most certain most certainly

516
00:24:31,310 --> 00:24:28,559
um and uh uh I I think that insurance

517
00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:31,320
will so that that's it for practitioners

518
00:24:36,169 --> 00:24:34,020
that's a double-edged sword because uh

519
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,179
when if insurance pays for it they

520
00:24:41,870 --> 00:24:38,640
decide what they're going to pay you

521
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as a as a practitioner uh it's not it's

522
00:24:47,090 --> 00:24:44,220
no longer between the practitioner and

523
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the uh and the patient anymore

524
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um

525
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but if you're talking about procedures

526
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that are

527
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dollars then you know none of us have

528
00:24:59,149 --> 00:24:56,880
that kind of money laying around so

529
00:25:01,430 --> 00:24:59,159
that's uh not that's not going to be

530
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:01,440
practical and there are there are such

531
00:25:07,010 --> 00:25:04,080
therapies I mean gene therapy uh for

532
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,020
cancer is often uh you know a few a few

533
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,840
days of that is well is well into six

534
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:11,039
figures

535
00:25:15,529 --> 00:25:12,240
um

536
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:15,539
and something that really blows me away

537
00:25:21,049 --> 00:25:19,140
is that there there has there has been

538
00:25:23,870 --> 00:25:21,059
or appears to be more modern

539
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:23,880
Technologies coming down the tech

540
00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:28,200
pathway towards patients and what are

541
00:25:34,909 --> 00:25:30,600
your thoughts about this rumor uh

542
00:25:37,130 --> 00:25:34,919
possible I I've read a little bit about

543
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,140
um different beds and Technologies

544
00:25:42,649 --> 00:25:40,080
coming plasma Chambers I was able to

545
00:25:45,409 --> 00:25:42,659
witness the oh I want to make sure I say

546
00:25:46,669 --> 00:25:45,419
it the correct way the infrared bed and

547
00:25:48,470 --> 00:25:46,679
I was blown away that you could look

548
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,480
right at it and I was told the guy said

549
00:25:53,149 --> 00:25:49,919
yeah don't worry because I obviously

550
00:25:54,529 --> 00:25:53,159
when it fired up I moved my head to not

551
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:54,539
look directly at it he said oh don't

552
00:25:58,730 --> 00:25:57,120
worry it won't ruin your eyesight and I

553
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:58,740
would ask you what about these more

554
00:26:01,789 --> 00:26:00,360
modern Technologies as they're coming

555
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:01,799
down the pipe have you heard of anything

556
00:26:09,289 --> 00:26:05,940
mind-blowing coming that's uh intriguing

557
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,299
yeah so we uh you know a few years ago

558
00:26:15,049 --> 00:26:12,299
uh I was talking more about

559
00:26:20,690 --> 00:26:18,890
light-based medicine uh but now uh I

560
00:26:23,090 --> 00:26:20,700
think uh that a better term is

561
00:26:26,330 --> 00:26:23,100
energy-based medicine so we're using

562
00:26:27,950 --> 00:26:26,340
light we're using shock wave therapy uh

563
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:27,960
uh

564
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:49,200
seem outrageous and I just I I hope that

565
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:51,419
they're true but I think that that

566
00:26:54,590 --> 00:26:53,460
technology is new enough that people

567
00:26:56,750 --> 00:26:54,600
haven't

568
00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:56,760
say oh well look this works but we don't

569
00:27:02,210 --> 00:26:59,460
know why until there's a mechanism it'll

570
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:02,220
never be accepted by beanstream medicine

571
00:27:09,649 --> 00:27:05,159
and

572
00:27:12,110 --> 00:27:09,659
I do a wound in Hyperbaric medicine also

573
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,120
and so hyperbaric chambers are another

574
00:27:16,850 --> 00:27:13,760
type of

575
00:27:20,450 --> 00:27:16,860
therapy that's been difficult to get

576
00:27:22,190 --> 00:27:20,460
insurance to approve but that is not an

577
00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:22,200
inexpensive treatment the the light

578
00:27:29,710 --> 00:27:27,620
treatments we can do for uh 25 30 50

579
00:27:32,029 --> 00:27:29,720
as opposed to

580
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:32,039
hyperbaric oxygen treatment which is

581
00:27:37,850 --> 00:27:36,059
going to be 2 000 or 2500 a session and

582
00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:37,860
until you have 50 sessions you haven't

583
00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:38,940
done anything

584
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,640
uh so that's something that clearly has

585
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:44,220
to be covered by Insurance uh in order

586
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:48,059
in order to be uh to be to be practical

587
00:27:54,130 --> 00:27:51,480
and the truth is that the PPM uh works

588
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,140
just as well perhaps better uh so

589
00:28:01,430 --> 00:27:57,840
hyperbaric oxygen is uh I'm uh I'm a big

590
00:28:03,289 --> 00:28:01,440
fan of it and I'm uh uh we do we do that

591
00:28:06,169 --> 00:28:03,299
in our wound center

592
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,179
um but I'm hoping that uh in the next

593
00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:08,700
five or ten years uh that uh we'll

594
00:28:15,850 --> 00:28:11,880
replace that uh with something uh less

595
00:28:19,310 --> 00:28:15,860
expensive and more effective

596
00:28:22,190 --> 00:28:19,320
interesting another fascinating truth

597
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,200
about photo biomodulation or PBM it

598
00:28:24,610 --> 00:28:24,000
seems that this

599
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,620
is

600
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:27,840
a very safe solution

601
00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:30,900
and possible well

602
00:28:37,490 --> 00:28:33,659
the nationally I guess the overdose

603
00:28:40,730 --> 00:28:37,500
deaths due to pain is pretty high 49 000

604
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:40,740
deaths from all opioids 19 000 deaths

605
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:43,440
from prescribed opioid drugs

606
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:44,880
and

607
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:48,960
PBM can be used to treat musculoskeletal

608
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:51,840
pain neuropathic pain central nervous

609
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:54,539
system disorders and hard to heal wounds

610
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,080
this could be a way to really get down

611
00:29:02,330 --> 00:29:00,840
these these National overdose deaths

612
00:29:05,810 --> 00:29:02,340
couldn't it

613
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:05,820
yes absolutely so treating pain is one

614
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,299
aspect of doing that although that's so

615
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:11,279
if we TR if we're treating pain with

616
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,440
these uh with these types of therapies

617
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:16,020
before they take pills then we can

618
00:29:19,310 --> 00:29:17,400
prevent addiction

619
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:19,320
but when people are already addicted

620
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:21,659
it's a matter of changing their brain

621
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:24,659
uh because it's like even if the pain is

622
00:29:27,769 --> 00:29:25,620
gone

623
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,779
they need they need the drugs to feel

624
00:29:29,630 --> 00:29:29,039
well

625
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:29,640
um

626
00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,279
and that's something that I've been uh

627
00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:35,039
just finishing up a study that we're

628
00:29:42,409 --> 00:29:40,100
doing in um to study the effects of

629
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:42,419
photobiomodulation delivered to the

630
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:46,919
brain uh on uh cognitive decline after

631
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:50,159
covet so the quote unquote brain fog

632
00:29:56,450 --> 00:29:53,039
that people have after covid uh is what

633
00:29:58,250 --> 00:29:56,460
we've been treating in this study and so

634
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:58,260
we see improvements in memory and

635
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:01,620
concentration Etc but the chain what

636
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:04,020
fascinated me is what I've seen changes

637
00:30:10,669 --> 00:30:06,960
in the response time of the brain

638
00:30:13,549 --> 00:30:10,679
and the power of the brain so the

639
00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:13,559
voltages that the that are uh the time

640
00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:15,720
that it takes for the brain to react and

641
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:18,120
the amount of the the Vigor of the

642
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,740
response is something we can measure

643
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,559
with EEG

644
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:25,200
um and so we've been doing that before

645
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,960
and after the treatments and clearly we

646
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:30,000
can change the brain function in about

647
00:30:35,210 --> 00:30:31,440
15 minutes

648
00:30:36,970 --> 00:30:35,220
uh and I had a colleague that I I was

649
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:36,980
spoke to yesterday who does

650
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:39,059
neurofeedback and I'm not sure if you're

651
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:41,159
familiar with that but that's a type of

652
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,100
therapy where EEG has done while the

653
00:30:49,389 --> 00:30:46,500
person is having therapy and they can

654
00:30:53,389 --> 00:30:49,399
see their brain wave patterns and then

655
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:53,399
uh and try and try to adjust them and uh

656
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:56,340
and I showed this data uh to uh my

657
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,140
colleague and she said

658
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:00,720
she said well this is this I can do this

659
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:03,720
with neurofeedback but it takes 40

660
00:31:07,010 --> 00:31:04,919
sessions

661
00:31:08,330 --> 00:31:07,020
not 14 minutes

662
00:31:13,549 --> 00:31:08,340
so

663
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,559
but I'm wondering what else what else

664
00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:15,840
will it work for uh Alzheimer's

665
00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:20,460
Parkinson's uh Louis body dementia of uh

666
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:22,860
and and addictions they're all things

667
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,460
that are possible uh targets for uh for

668
00:31:29,570 --> 00:31:27,600
brain work

669
00:31:33,169 --> 00:31:29,580
I'm so glad you brought that up because

670
00:31:35,810 --> 00:31:33,179
at the clinic where I go I did notice

671
00:31:38,930 --> 00:31:35,820
that they had the photo by a lot photo

672
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:38,940
the PBM helmet and I was being told

673
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:42,059
stories of some of the uses for it and

674
00:31:46,370 --> 00:31:43,500
how interesting it is from a

675
00:31:48,889 --> 00:31:46,380
neurological perspective and healing and

676
00:31:50,750 --> 00:31:48,899
yeah that seems like a huge deal and I

677
00:31:52,370 --> 00:31:50,760
also noticed that under your

678
00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:52,380
intellectual property you have an

679
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:54,500
international patent for the use of

680
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:56,580
oxandrolone I hope I'm saying that right

681
00:32:01,389 --> 00:31:59,760
in the treatment of COPD have you

682
00:32:03,950 --> 00:32:01,399
noticed any

683
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:03,960
effects or

684
00:32:09,710 --> 00:32:07,020
helping features as far as people coming

685
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,720
out of covid Etc with with this

686
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,279
treatment

687
00:32:16,070 --> 00:32:12,960
now

688
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:16,080
it's a study that I did uh almost 30

689
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:19,919
years ago now uh and uh that was it was

690
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:22,620
shut down uh because that was about the

691
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:24,720
time that Ben Johnson was busted for

692
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,559
using Sandra Loan in the Olympics so

693
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:31,200
there was no more money to study to

694
00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:33,779
study those types of drugs so how it

695
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:36,779
helped the people with the COPD is that

696
00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:39,960
at a certain point uh you become so

697
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:43,740
breathless that uh it wrecks your

698
00:32:48,529 --> 00:32:47,159
appetites you can't uh in between you

699
00:32:52,070 --> 00:32:48,539
can't breathe when you're when you're

700
00:32:54,409 --> 00:32:52,080
chewing and uh or you'll aspirate and so

701
00:32:57,049 --> 00:32:54,419
people have inadequate calorie intake

702
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,059
plus the amount of work that it takes

703
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:59,700
just to sit and breathe burns up a lot

704
00:33:06,710 --> 00:33:01,620
of calories so many of these patients

705
00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:06,720
become uh really overly slender and lose

706
00:33:12,830 --> 00:33:10,200
muscle mass and so my idea was to use an

707
00:33:15,169 --> 00:33:12,840
anabolic agent like oxendrolone to try

708
00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:15,179
to to build up their muscle mass doesn't

709
00:33:19,549 --> 00:33:17,399
help their breathing but it helps them

710
00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:19,559
get stronger and helps break that cycle

711
00:33:23,630 --> 00:33:22,019
so that they can so that they can do

712
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:23,640
more

713
00:33:31,490 --> 00:33:25,620
so I don't know that if it has any

714
00:33:34,669 --> 00:33:31,500
application uh uh at at this point the

715
00:33:37,730 --> 00:33:34,679
um I think the application would be for

716
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:37,740
covid if somebody has had a prolonged

717
00:33:43,190 --> 00:33:40,140
illness been in the hospital been in a

718
00:33:48,049 --> 00:33:43,200
hospital bed and has muscle wasting as a

719
00:33:50,870 --> 00:33:48,059
result of being inactive and uh and

720
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,880
having inadequate nutrients uh in the

721
00:33:55,970 --> 00:33:53,100
setting of a high metabolic demand of

722
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:55,980
the illness that will help them once

723
00:34:01,310 --> 00:33:58,500
they're over the acute phase that to

724
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,320
help them recover their strengths more

725
00:34:06,110 --> 00:34:03,539
more quickly so that they don't have to

726
00:34:07,549 --> 00:34:06,120
spend as much time in rehab as far as I

727
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:07,559
know that I I don't know that that's

728
00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:10,260
being done anywhere but it's it's right

729
00:34:13,010 --> 00:34:11,820
it's rational to think that it might

730
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:13,020
help

731
00:34:18,470 --> 00:34:15,119
yeah and

732
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:18,480
another question I had would be you

733
00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:20,820
you've probably seen a lot of patients I

734
00:34:26,510 --> 00:34:23,399
would ask you about testimonials by

735
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:26,520
patients using light Technologies and

736
00:34:42,129 --> 00:34:38,690
devices that we use and different

737
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:42,139
wavelengths of of light and different

738
00:34:46,909 --> 00:34:45,060
types of delivery work better for

739
00:34:49,430 --> 00:34:46,919
certain problems so if you have a

740
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:49,440
shoulder if you have a shoulder injury a

741
00:34:54,829 --> 00:34:51,720
spot treatment around the area in the

742
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:54,839
shoulder uh will will be effective if

743
00:35:00,609 --> 00:34:57,180
you have you know uh if you have

744
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:00,619
rheumatoid disease or you have

745
00:35:07,329 --> 00:35:04,740
other autoimmune problems then

746
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:07,339
e Illuminating the entire body

747
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:10,079
simultaneously is more cost effective

748
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:15,240
and more uh and more effective period

749
00:35:19,550 --> 00:35:18,240
so that's a uh that's one way to

750
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,560
approach it

751
00:35:25,210 --> 00:35:21,960
okay and

752
00:35:29,870 --> 00:35:25,220
what with the prices being what they are

753
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:31,970
brought into mainstream as quickly as

754
00:35:38,030 --> 00:35:34,800
people are Desiring

755
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:38,040
my question is

756
00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:40,140
should people consider buying these

757
00:35:44,089 --> 00:35:42,599
products for use at home or would you

758
00:35:48,950 --> 00:35:44,099
recommend using them at clinics with

759
00:35:54,589 --> 00:35:52,970
to vote so what I hope to do uh on the

760
00:35:57,410 --> 00:35:54,599
brain thing I've been thinking about

761
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:57,420
this over the last uh several weeks once

762
00:36:02,990 --> 00:35:59,280
I started crunching the data and seeing

763
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:03,000
how well it worked we have a we have a

764
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:06,119
real the EEG provides a powerful tool to

765
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:06,900
see

766
00:36:12,829 --> 00:36:09,599
which patients are likely to respond so

767
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:12,839
they come to the clinic we test them we

768
00:36:19,970 --> 00:36:16,440
before and after a light treatment with

769
00:36:22,790 --> 00:36:19,980
the helmet or the bed they both work

770
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:22,800
um and uh and see if they have a

771
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:25,740
response in those uh in those delay

772
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:28,980
times and voltages if they do

773
00:36:33,890 --> 00:36:31,260
then they could come back two or three

774
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:33,900
times a week to the clinic or they can

775
00:36:38,750 --> 00:36:36,420
buy a device to use at home and they're

776
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:38,760
and then they can use it every day and

777
00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:41,700
certainly if you so for brain fog coming

778
00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:43,500
to the clinic makes more sense because

779
00:36:48,109 --> 00:36:46,380
that's it seems to be self-limited once

780
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:48,119
you once you're back to normal you're

781
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:48,839
good

782
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:52,020
uh but with Parkinson's disease or

783
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:54,300
Alzheimer's that are degenerative

784
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,920
conditions you're going to need to do

785
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:58,800
something on an ongoing basis to keep up

786
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:01,200
in which case it's going to be much more

787
00:37:07,310 --> 00:37:04,859
cost effective to having uh uh a device

788
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:07,320
for you to use at home

789
00:37:12,410 --> 00:37:09,780
uh and the companies the company that

790
00:37:15,170 --> 00:37:12,420
I'm working with is uh in the process of

791
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:15,180
developing such a device

792
00:37:20,329 --> 00:37:18,180
uh so uh and and other and other

793
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:20,339
companies are too of course there's a

794
00:37:25,130 --> 00:37:21,780
lot of uh

795
00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:25,140
there are a lot of direct to consumer

796
00:37:32,930 --> 00:37:29,700
companies also the problem with that is

797
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:32,940
that some of them are highly effective

798
00:37:38,030 --> 00:37:36,240
and some of them are junk and it's you

799
00:37:38,930 --> 00:37:38,040
can't you can't tell the difference by

800
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:38,940
looking

801
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,980
so that's one of the goals of the

802
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:42,960
foundation for photobiomodulation

803
00:37:47,810 --> 00:37:45,960
research is to have a center where we

804
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:47,820
can test these devices

805
00:37:53,390 --> 00:37:50,760
and the manufacturer would would send us

806
00:37:55,069 --> 00:37:53,400
devices they're being and then they're

807
00:37:58,310 --> 00:37:55,079
evaluated and then they get a report

808
00:38:00,650 --> 00:37:58,320
back uh that they can use like the Good

809
00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:00,660
Housekeeping seal and say you know now

810
00:38:04,750 --> 00:38:02,820
we're not going to be like the SDA we're

811
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:04,760
not going to say oh this will work for

812
00:38:12,970 --> 00:38:08,640
knee arthritis we'd say this this device

813
00:38:16,609 --> 00:38:12,980
this laser has an output of X number of

814
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:16,619
milliwatts per centimeter squared and uh

815
00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:19,260
the time to use it is uh is eight

816
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:20,180
minutes

817
00:38:26,270 --> 00:38:24,300
to get the therapeutic dose rather than

818
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:26,280
uh so

819
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:28,260
uh there's not there's not very good

820
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:30,720
quality control and so if we have a way

821
00:38:36,530 --> 00:38:33,060
of controlling that then it will be the

822
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:36,540
direct consumer Market will be

823
00:38:41,450 --> 00:38:38,280
um more robust

824
00:38:43,310 --> 00:38:41,460
yeah I mean so the thing the thing about

825
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,320
the devices is like oh well there's no

826
00:38:47,089 --> 00:38:45,599
harm in trying it well that's true it's

827
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:47,099
not going to hurt you if you use it

828
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:49,260
wrong the worst that can happen is it

829
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:50,220
won't help

830
00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:53,579
but if you spend 800 bucks on it uh it's

831
00:38:57,230 --> 00:38:55,020
uh it's going to make you still going to

832
00:39:01,970 --> 00:38:57,240
make you mad

833
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:01,980
definitely and something that

834
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,099
recently blew me away looking into this

835
00:39:11,089 --> 00:39:07,200
was that

836
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,099
photo biomodulating effects of light on

837
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:13,680
a radiated tissue so photobiomodulation

838
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:15,300
therapy

839
00:39:22,670 --> 00:39:20,520
induced side effects have you come

840
00:39:25,550 --> 00:39:22,680
across this in in your own work

841
00:39:27,829 --> 00:39:25,560
yes absolutely so that's what the oral

842
00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:27,839
mucositis that I was mentioning that's

843
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,520
so oral mucositis is a uh is a an effect

844
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:34,560
uh that had that's a it's a damaging

845
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:37,820
effect of chemotherapy and and radiation

846
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:41,820
uh and we've done that we've done PBM uh

847
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,220
so patients in the it's not an unusual

848
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:45,839
thing for patients in the wound center

849
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:48,780
to come in uh

850
00:39:54,710 --> 00:39:52,680
with uh what's called uh osteonecrosis

851
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:54,720
of the jaw where they've had their jaw

852
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:58,440
radiated 20 years ago and took care of

853
00:40:02,690 --> 00:40:00,300
the cancer it worked great they've been

854
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,700
fine and now they've had a tooth

855
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:05,520
extraction something simple but the the

856
00:40:11,089 --> 00:40:08,460
area won't heal up because the radiation

857
00:40:13,849 --> 00:40:11,099
has killed all the stem cells there

858
00:40:17,569 --> 00:40:13,859
uh 20 years ago and there is no way to

859
00:40:20,569 --> 00:40:17,579
repair it so that's an application for

860
00:40:22,670 --> 00:40:20,579
taking stem cells from them in another

861
00:40:25,609 --> 00:40:22,680
uh from another part of their body and

862
00:40:27,589 --> 00:40:25,619
transplanting them to the a part of

863
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:27,599
their body that wasn't irradiated and

864
00:40:36,109 --> 00:40:32,220
putting that uh into that site or using

865
00:40:39,170 --> 00:40:36,119
PBM which uh will re recruit stem cells

866
00:40:41,870 --> 00:40:39,180
for one thing plus also allows cells to

867
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:41,880
create growth factors that will

868
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,060
uh that will promote healing

869
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,700
that is so interesting and I'm glad that

870
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:49,680
you mentioned the tooth extraction just

871
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:52,440
on a tangential note because when I had

872
00:41:00,170 --> 00:40:55,140
my stem cell therapy and I mean my

873
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:00,180
shoulders were shot it an odd kind of I

874
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,339
guess side effect was I had recently

875
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,520
gone to the dentist and I was told that

876
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:08,160
I had gum damage and they had to do an

877
00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:12,480
extensive deep cleaning and after the

878
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,240
stem cell therapy when I went back to

879
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:17,760
the dentist about a month later they

880
00:41:22,430 --> 00:41:19,740
said wow your your gums look a lot

881
00:41:25,849 --> 00:41:22,440
better everything looks a lot better as

882
00:41:29,329 --> 00:41:25,859
far as the cells concerned and it just

883
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:29,339
there seems to be a lot of advantages to

884
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:31,680
this stem cell research as well is that

885
00:41:35,870 --> 00:41:33,300
something we can discuss a little bit so

886
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:35,880
listeners have an idea about that and

887
00:41:45,650 --> 00:41:41,150
um

888
00:41:48,650 --> 00:41:45,660
well because it uh so there's a there's

889
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:48,660
an overlap between stem cells and PBM in

890
00:41:53,930 --> 00:41:51,180
fact that was one of the main areas of

891
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,940
my research uh several years ago when I

892
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:56,880
published that article on isolating stem

893
00:42:02,930 --> 00:41:58,920
cells without using a chemical process

894
00:42:06,349 --> 00:42:02,940
from adipose tissue from fat

895
00:42:10,490 --> 00:42:06,359
um then uh what we we looked at adipose

896
00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:10,500
tissues in culture and the uh and the

897
00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:13,619
and PBM applied to the to the culture

898
00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:15,960
plates allowed those cells to grow

899
00:42:21,050 --> 00:42:17,220
faster

900
00:42:23,450 --> 00:42:21,060
uh and so when we transplant them uh so

901
00:42:27,170 --> 00:42:23,460
now it's common for me now where I

902
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:27,180
transplant uh cells as to the face for

903
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:29,160
cosmetic purposes so we're taking fat

904
00:42:33,530 --> 00:42:31,260
from some place the patient doesn't want

905
00:42:36,589 --> 00:42:33,540
it and put it back in their face and

906
00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:36,599
following the treatment we do uh for

907
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:41,460
several weeks we'll do uh PBM uh to uh

908
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:44,640
to make those cells more robust and less

909
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:48,960
likely to uh to to die off and uh and

910
00:42:55,069 --> 00:42:52,079
and uh and patient loses the volume that

911
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:55,079
has been replaced uh so there's there's

912
00:43:01,010 --> 00:42:57,660
been claims so PPM is good for uh

913
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,020
getting rid of fat well I my experience

914
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,660
is that it helps fat it doesn't get rid

915
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:05,760
of it uh

916
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:09,540
but so so stem cell therapy uh more to

917
00:43:14,329 --> 00:43:12,960
your question the stem cell therapy is a

918
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:14,339
lot of things are called stem cell

919
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:18,960
therapy that uh that aren't uh

920
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,000
so uh for example uh treatment with uh

921
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:27,359
uh so there is no off the shelf well

922
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:29,700
let's buy some let's buy some stem cells

923
00:43:34,309 --> 00:43:32,520
uh and uh and and put those in this

924
00:43:37,490 --> 00:43:34,319
patient's knee

925
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,500
um what Dale the product that holds the

926
00:43:43,609 --> 00:43:39,599
most promise in this area to me is where

927
00:43:47,809 --> 00:43:43,619
they harvest uh cells uh from college

928
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:47,819
age persons grow them in tissue culture

929
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:51,359
uh and then and then not take the cells

930
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:52,740
themselves

931
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:55,980
because they would if you inject cells

932
00:44:01,430 --> 00:43:59,099
from someone else into a patient they

933
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:01,440
will reject them because of being

934
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:03,540
foreign proteins

935
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:07,680
uh so so we don't want uh

936
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:10,380
oh so we don't do that but what they do

937
00:44:14,510 --> 00:44:12,480
is that these cells secrete growth

938
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:14,520
factors into the medium that they're

939
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,180
growing in those can be harvested uh in

940
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:21,119
exosomes uh is what that's called and so

941
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:23,700
those are there's no cell products uh in

942
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,560
there but they do have the growth

943
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:28,260
factors that will promote uh new blood

944
00:44:35,390 --> 00:44:33,420
supply for example uh and uh

945
00:44:38,089 --> 00:44:35,400
and so when it's

946
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:38,099
when the when a Salesman would come from

947
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,260
a company and say oh we're going to

948
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:42,540
transplant these uh

949
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:44,040
umbilical stem cells and you can use

950
00:44:48,349 --> 00:44:45,960
those for your wound care

951
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,359
and it's like well so that's true but

952
00:44:52,609 --> 00:44:50,520
the cells uh have been frozen they're

953
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,619
dead so what happens is when you put

954
00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,240
them in the patient what they do is they

955
00:44:59,450 --> 00:44:56,760
dump out their gross factors and so the

956
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:59,460
technology works but its build as a stem

957
00:45:04,910 --> 00:45:01,920
cell therapy and it's not the cells are

958
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:04,920
just a growth factor Factory growth

959
00:45:09,829 --> 00:45:08,160
factor delivery system uh so I think

960
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:09,839
there's a there's a lot of confusion

961
00:45:17,450 --> 00:45:12,839
about what what stem cells really are

962
00:45:20,930 --> 00:45:17,460
um we use uh stem cells from uh bone

963
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,940
marrow to treat erectile dysfunction is

964
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:23,280
one example so we grow new blood vessels

965
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:25,800
into the in the pelvis and the and into

966
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:28,920
the penis from cells in the bone marrow

967
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:31,500
from the patient's own bone marrow now

968
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,040
adipose tissue is not okay to use for

969
00:45:41,569 --> 00:45:37,440
that purpose that has been banned by the

970
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:41,579
SDA to use stem cells in a inter in in a

971
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:45,119
vascular region uh you can use stem

972
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,380
cells uh

973
00:45:51,890 --> 00:45:48,540
from the patient in the face you can use

974
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:51,900
them in the knee for example uh that's

975
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:53,940
related to fat but we would not want to

976
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:56,700
be injecting fat particles

977
00:46:03,050 --> 00:46:00,240
into the bloodstream uh for sure

978
00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:03,060
and even this even the cells themselves

979
00:46:08,569 --> 00:46:06,060
that's going to require a company taking

980
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:08,579
this to the FDA and making it a product

981
00:46:12,290 --> 00:46:10,980
so I think that the growth factors I

982
00:46:13,609 --> 00:46:12,300
think in the next five or ten years

983
00:46:15,530 --> 00:46:13,619
we're going to have something that's

984
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,540
actually off the shelf

985
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:17,400
and

986
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,200
healthy from young healthy people so you

987
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:28,319
know I'm 70 years old so my stem cells

988
00:46:33,410 --> 00:46:30,599
are not as uh

989
00:46:36,890 --> 00:46:33,420
uh not as powerful as they were when I

990
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,900
was 20. uh and so if we're treating uh

991
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:38,640
somebody my age we're treating their

992
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:40,980
knee we can use their cells which will

993
00:46:46,370 --> 00:46:43,500
help and the stem cells are somewhat

994
00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:46,380
protected from the effects of Aging but

995
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,380
still there's a a gradual decline in

996
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:52,319
their vigor so

997
00:46:56,329 --> 00:46:53,099
um

998
00:46:58,309 --> 00:46:56,339
so once we once we get the something

999
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,319
approved by the FDA then I think this

1000
00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:00,480
therapy is going to take off in the

1001
00:47:04,970 --> 00:47:02,220
meantime we have these autologous

1002
00:47:07,609 --> 00:47:04,980
therapies which means from the patient

1003
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:07,619
themselves so we can do that we can take

1004
00:47:13,609 --> 00:47:10,440
a pain the patient's own cells and move

1005
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:13,619
them somewhere else what we can't do is

1006
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:15,599
take somebody else's cells and use them

1007
00:47:21,470 --> 00:47:18,359
uh number one it wouldn't work and

1008
00:47:24,290 --> 00:47:21,480
number two it's uh it's dangerous and

1009
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,300
there's already been a lot of uh not a

1010
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:26,640
lot but there's been uh notable

1011
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:30,960
instances of uh people being blinded uh

1012
00:47:39,230 --> 00:47:35,940
having irreversible uh bad uh uh side

1013
00:47:41,630 --> 00:47:39,240
effects from stem cell therapy which we

1014
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:41,640
have not had with PBM

1015
00:47:47,809 --> 00:47:44,280
and I'm really glad that you mentioned

1016
00:47:51,069 --> 00:47:47,819
the bone marrow uh because it seems like

1017
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:51,079
there is a connection between PBM or

1018
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:53,160
photobiomodulation and having

1019
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,940
rejuvenating effects on aged bone marrow

1020
00:48:01,730 --> 00:47:59,040
have you come across that and I think

1021
00:48:03,530 --> 00:48:01,740
just the fact that you're 70 is a pretty

1022
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,540
good uh

1023
00:48:09,050 --> 00:48:05,760
way for you to sell this to people

1024
00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:09,060
because you are in fantastic shape

1025
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:11,579
well uh thank you thank you for saying

1026
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,780
so uh it's uh it's important to uh

1027
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:17,940
I think it's important for a physician

1028
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:20,339
to uh

1029
00:48:26,030 --> 00:48:23,220
to be a good to be a good model I think

1030
00:48:28,670 --> 00:48:26,040
it's uh uh I I think it's I think it's

1031
00:48:30,650 --> 00:48:28,680
all it's good for all of us to be to be

1032
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:30,660
good citizens so that our fellow

1033
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:34,079
citizens see how uh how we're acting and

1034
00:48:37,490 --> 00:48:35,940
I think that that's especially important

1035
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:37,500
when somebody comes to the doctor's

1036
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:39,300
office if somebody's the doctor's

1037
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:40,740
overweight

1038
00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:44,280
um and uh and uh you can tell that uh he

1039
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,040
or she's been smoking in the back office

1040
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:49,200
then what uh what they what they tell

1041
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:52,140
you is likely to be uh

1042
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:58,849
and sadly that has been my experience it

1043
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:01,680
seems I hate to say this because it's

1044
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:05,520
just my experience but having gone to

1045
00:49:10,609 --> 00:49:08,099
um doctors to take care of things in

1046
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,619
more mainstream hospitals I've noticed

1047
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,960
that there is a lot of Physicians

1048
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:15,359
assistants and doctors Etc nurses that

1049
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,740
are overweight they don't look like

1050
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:18,720
they're taking care of themselves yet

1051
00:49:22,370 --> 00:49:20,460
when you go to these private clinics

1052
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:22,380
everybody seems to be pretty put

1053
00:49:28,089 --> 00:49:25,680
together and extreme portraits of

1054
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:28,099
overall good health

1055
00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:31,560
yeah I don't think that's an accident

1056
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:33,960
um people often say to me wow you look

1057
00:49:39,290 --> 00:49:35,819
you're 70 you look great and I said yeah

1058
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:39,300
I got the technology man that is so neat

1059
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:42,960
and with with patients spending less

1060
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:46,079
time in hospitals due to some of these

1061
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:47,940
Technologies the Futures obviously

1062
00:49:54,290 --> 00:49:51,420
bright for uh medical bed manufacturers

1063
00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:54,300
doctors Etc but there could be a portion

1064
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:56,520
it seems of the medical community that

1065
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:59,280
does not want this to take place and my

1066
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,359
question is

1067
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,880
some want to keep this healing Tech it

1068
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:04,800
seems apparently I could be wrong but it

1069
00:50:08,030 --> 00:50:06,060
seems like they want to keep it out of

1070
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:08,040
the reach of the masses why would that

1071
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:09,900
be

1072
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:11,700
uh

1073
00:50:15,890 --> 00:50:14,220
you know a certain matter of protecting

1074
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:15,900
turf

1075
00:50:24,349 --> 00:50:20,400
is is part of it uh and

1076
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:27,890
the I mean I'm uh I'm I'm not a person

1077
00:50:33,470 --> 00:50:29,520
that believes in the pharmaceutical

1078
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,480
industry uh is evil uh they've uh

1079
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:36,240
Pharmacy Pharmaceuticals have very

1080
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:39,540
greatly benefited me and my patients you

1081
00:50:46,190 --> 00:50:42,720
know it's just that Soul Reliance on

1082
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:46,200
this as a model is uh is short-sighted

1083
00:50:50,890 --> 00:50:49,200
you know and and I don't we're not doing

1084
00:50:53,809 --> 00:50:50,900
these therapies

1085
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,819
instead of mainstream medicine they're

1086
00:50:58,549 --> 00:50:55,680
integrated they're uh

1087
00:51:00,530 --> 00:50:58,559
they're adjuncts to the therapy so it's

1088
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:00,540
like we're not using PBM to cure cancer

1089
00:51:07,309 --> 00:51:04,380
we're using PBM to allow people to have

1090
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:07,319
uh more uh efficacious Cancer Treatments

1091
00:51:12,049 --> 00:51:09,240
that are in the mainstream and not get

1092
00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:12,059
as sick from it so that's that's how it

1093
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:14,700
so so things have they have it's it's

1094
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:17,520
not either or it's a matter of

1095
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,300
integrating them uh optimally

1096
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:24,720
so important and these light based

1097
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,300
Technologies seem to be helping many to

1098
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:29,040
recover from

1099
00:51:33,770 --> 00:51:31,260
very serious ailments that they would

1100
00:51:36,670 --> 00:51:33,780
not recover from the same if they were

1101
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:36,680
just sticking to the basic procedures

1102
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:41,040
and Dr Bowen I wanted to get into some

1103
00:51:46,130 --> 00:51:44,280
of the therapies and applications this

1104
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:46,140
minimally invasive

1105
00:51:52,670 --> 00:51:50,220
type procedures that you recommend what

1106
00:51:56,450 --> 00:51:52,680
you have to offer and where people can

1107
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:56,460
gather or get some of this light based

1108
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:02,750
uh so they're uh I think I think

1109
00:52:09,710 --> 00:52:06,839
Googling TBM uh and then going there uh

1110
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:09,720
clinics there's uh they're the uh

1111
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:12,960
foundation for photo biomodulation uh uh

1112
00:52:18,130 --> 00:52:16,319
website uh has uh some links to go to

1113
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,140
and also some information

1114
00:52:23,809 --> 00:52:21,119
uh uh further information on the

1115
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:23,819
mechanism how it works the history that

1116
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,380
kind of thing for people that are

1117
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,319
interested in this to do some uh to do

1118
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:31,440
some research uh uh on their on their

1119
00:52:38,109 --> 00:52:34,440
own and then decide uh you know what's

1120
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:38,119
what's good for them Uh I that term

1121
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:40,319
photobiomodulation is you know new

1122
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:43,500
within the last five years uh the term

1123
00:52:46,970 --> 00:52:45,359
that was used before was low level light

1124
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:46,980
therapy

1125
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,660
uh and uh and veterinarians uh have been

1126
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:54,240
using this for a third for 30 years they

1127
00:52:59,150 --> 00:52:57,599
don't have to deal with the FDA and you

1128
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,160
know you hear you hear a lot of stories

1129
00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:01,500
about uh about old dogs that couldn't go

1130
00:53:06,170 --> 00:53:03,960
up the status and after they have uh PPM

1131
00:53:09,290 --> 00:53:06,180
treatments on their hips they can run up

1132
00:53:11,569 --> 00:53:09,300
and down the steps like they did uh 10

1133
00:53:14,690 --> 00:53:11,579
years before

1134
00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:14,700
that is so interesting and

1135
00:53:19,809 --> 00:53:18,300
can this photobiomodulation and forgive

1136
00:53:24,290 --> 00:53:19,819
me for not being more

1137
00:53:27,770 --> 00:53:24,300
well versed in this is that the same as

1138
00:53:28,849 --> 00:53:27,780
AKA red light therapy or low level laser

1139
00:53:31,309 --> 00:53:28,859
therapy

1140
00:53:33,890 --> 00:53:31,319
yes okay those are really those are

1141
00:53:36,170 --> 00:53:33,900
really synonyms uh and the reason that

1142
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:36,180
we favor PBM now is because it kind of

1143
00:53:41,930 --> 00:53:39,059
tells more of what it does and like it's

1144
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:41,940
low level light therapy well how low you

1145
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:43,740
know is it so low that you can't see it

1146
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:45,839
you know it's it's it's a non-specific

1147
00:53:52,970 --> 00:53:48,720
term but it was invented to distinguish

1148
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:52,980
it from lasers used for cutting uh or uh

1149
00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:56,280
uh or or ablation you know so so if you

1150
00:54:02,870 --> 00:53:59,099
use uh more energy with a laser you can

1151
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:02,880
uh uh uh you know you cannot you can

1152
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:04,559
operate with that that's how I started

1153
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:07,200
in the laser business was taking tumors

1154
00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:09,839
out of the lung with a laser

1155
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:14,460
um and uh basically vaporizing them uh

1156
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,640
but this uh is a much lower level than

1157
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:19,440
that it's stimulatory rather than

1158
00:54:22,430 --> 00:54:20,700
destructive

1159
00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:22,440
okay

1160
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:25,619
and I'm aware that you are director for

1161
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:28,920
a variety of uh

1162
00:54:34,130 --> 00:54:31,920
organizations the center for wound care

1163
00:54:36,010 --> 00:54:34,140
and also you have you're you're

1164
00:54:40,130 --> 00:54:36,020
president of the foundation for photo

1165
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:40,140
biomodulation research and you have some

1166
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:41,640
connections to other non-profit

1167
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:44,040
organizations which help Foster research

1168
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:46,020
development and awareness of light-based

1169
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:47,640
Medicine

1170
00:54:53,329 --> 00:54:51,420
if people are interested in coming under

1171
00:54:55,010 --> 00:54:53,339
your care I know you're back East I'm

1172
00:54:57,470 --> 00:54:55,020
over here in Las Vegas

1173
00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:57,480
where could people get a hold of you for

1174
00:55:02,030 --> 00:54:59,819
any kind of cosmetic surgery I know

1175
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,040
you've had a lot of celebrities and the

1176
00:55:07,490 --> 00:55:04,319
like follow some of your cosmetic type

1177
00:55:10,250 --> 00:55:07,500
surgeries and um as well as any of these

1178
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,260
other healing surgeries or liposuction

1179
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:13,440
pulmonary medicine Etc and you do sleep

1180
00:55:18,829 --> 00:55:16,079
medicine as well so you offer a wide

1181
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:18,839
variety of treatments if anybody wanted

1182
00:55:23,450 --> 00:55:21,480
to get a hold of you to take part in any

1183
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:23,460
of these what what's the best way to do

1184
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:34,490
about the uh well we'll just go ahead

1185
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,200
and do that so my my website is Dr

1186
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,040
Robert Bowen all one word.com

1187
00:55:47,230 --> 00:55:43,680
uh so there's information there the

1188
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:47,240
office number is 304.

1189
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:49,859
264-9080 now we're located in

1190
00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:53,040
Martinsburg West Virginia which is uh

1191
00:55:58,250 --> 00:55:54,059
about

1192
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:58,260
uh 70 miles from downtown uh DC and

1193
00:56:02,270 --> 00:56:00,180
about 80 miles from downtown Baltimore

1194
00:56:06,049 --> 00:56:02,280
so we're in the Eastern panhandle of

1195
00:56:08,690 --> 00:56:06,059
West Virginia uh within a pretty large

1196
00:56:11,870 --> 00:56:08,700
population base in Northern uh Northern

1197
00:56:16,730 --> 00:56:11,880
Virginia and uh and Maryland as well as

1198
00:56:22,490 --> 00:56:18,849
great

1199
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:22,500
and thank you for not only coming on the

1200
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:24,960
podcast but explaining a type of

1201
00:56:28,430 --> 00:56:26,880
medicine that a lot of people I think

1202
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:28,440
this is critical

1203
00:56:34,370 --> 00:56:31,280
need to know about I have been

1204
00:56:37,130 --> 00:56:34,380
mesmerized and Blown Away by its effects

1205
00:56:40,370 --> 00:56:37,140
on my health and I know my wife had some

1206
00:56:43,250 --> 00:56:40,380
very serious health problems and she's

1207
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:43,260
been going weekly to get these types of

1208
00:56:48,890 --> 00:56:46,380
treatments and she is getting amazing

1209
00:56:50,210 --> 00:56:48,900
results and I would recommend this

1210
00:56:53,569 --> 00:56:50,220
treatment to just about anybody

1211
00:56:55,870 --> 00:56:53,579
especially when there are seemingly zero

1212
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:55,880
side effects

1213
00:57:00,829 --> 00:56:58,980
yeah well I appreciate I appreciate uh

1214
00:57:04,010 --> 00:57:00,839
being given the opportunity to talk

1215
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:04,020
about this stuff I have a uh I have a

1216
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:07,140
real uh passion for it uh because I

1217
00:57:11,990 --> 00:57:08,880
think the uh I think

1218
00:57:13,849 --> 00:57:12,000
I think the future of medicine uh is

1219
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,859
very bright uh

1220
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:15,119
I uh

1221
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:19,380
that was a a the plan was intended

1222
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:24,240
uh but that uh that uh

1223
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:27,420
the Aging Therapies in general uh are

1224
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:28,920
something that's going to uh that's

1225
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,500
going to change the world for the better

1226
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:33,599
uh and so I'm very excited about that

1227
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:35,460
the only thing that I worry about is

1228
00:57:39,410 --> 00:57:37,500
that politicians blowing us to Kingdom

1229
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:39,420
come before this will happen before this

1230
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:40,680
can come about

1231
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:43,200
yeah and we have a couple minutes and I

1232
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:45,480
know you're a very busy man I appreciate

1233
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:46,980
you taking your time out of your day

1234
00:57:52,430 --> 00:57:50,579
there is also a um

1235
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,440
a consideration where photo

1236
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:54,240
biomodulation is being put before

1237
00:57:59,630 --> 00:57:56,400
Congress can you tell us a little bit

1238
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,569
um I'm

1239
00:58:02,579 --> 00:58:07,190
sure several of us

1240
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:11,930
and some technology yep uh and uh that

1241
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:14,700
was in um it was before the pandemic

1242
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:19,140
that was in 2019 I think uh maybe 2018.

1243
00:58:23,569 --> 00:58:20,400
uh

1244
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:23,579
so they've they've heard of it and we do

1245
00:58:31,069 --> 00:58:25,200
have

1246
00:58:32,930 --> 00:58:31,079
I almost say a lobbyist because we're

1247
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:32,940
we're not we're not paying him anything

1248
00:58:38,750 --> 00:58:36,180
he just has a lot of connections with uh

1249
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:38,760
with official Washington who has been

1250
00:58:44,690 --> 00:58:41,940
putting a bug in the ear of the movers

1251
00:58:46,670 --> 00:58:44,700
and shakers so I think that's a uh a

1252
00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:46,680
good development too and here in the

1253
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:49,500
Eastern Panhandle we have uh Shepherd

1254
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:51,299
University

1255
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:52,079
um

1256
00:58:58,370 --> 00:58:55,500
uh has opened the center for excellence

1257
00:59:00,349 --> 00:58:58,380
for photobiomodulation and they have

1258
00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:00,359
some of these devices that they're using

1259
00:59:03,770 --> 00:59:02,700
not in medical care but rather for

1260
00:59:07,609 --> 00:59:03,780
wellness

1261
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:07,619
uh they uh and uh and the nursing

1262
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:10,380
program there uh the nurses are taught

1263
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,040
uh therapy with photobiomodulation we

1264
00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:17,160
developed a curriculum uh for them so

1265
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:21,000
what I'm hoping is that uh at this part

1266
00:59:25,430 --> 00:59:22,740
of the world the Eastern panhandle of

1267
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:25,440
West Virginia will become the photon

1268
00:59:32,809 --> 00:59:28,799
Valley so uh we'll be a magnet for

1269
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:32,819
research and for engineering of laser

1270
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:35,520
and light companies uh and academic

1271
00:59:41,329 --> 00:59:38,640
institutions to uh to come and uh and

1272
00:59:43,309 --> 00:59:41,339
and study this if we it's like Silicon

1273
00:59:46,490 --> 00:59:43,319
Valley where all that is for that

1274
00:59:48,950 --> 00:59:46,500
intellectual and physical infrastructure

1275
00:59:50,349 --> 00:59:48,960
is concentrated in one place there's a

1276
00:59:53,450 --> 00:59:50,359
lot of

1277
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:53,460
collaboration that can occur uh very

1278
00:59:57,710 --> 00:59:56,400
easily uh you know it's still it's still

1279
01:00:00,049 --> 00:59:57,720
in this day and age easier to

1280
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:00,059
collaborate with somebody sitting next

1281
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:03,299
to you uh than it is uh uh on the

1282
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:04,680
internet

1283
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,640
that is great thank you so much Dr Bowen

1284
01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:10,920
for your work bringing light-based

1285
01:00:15,890 --> 01:00:13,920
medicine to the masses using the Synergy

1286
01:00:18,349 --> 01:00:15,900
of academic clinical and real world

1287
01:00:20,510 --> 01:00:18,359
therapies and also for kind of Blazing

1288
01:00:22,069 --> 01:00:20,520
the way for this technology to be

1289
01:00:24,170 --> 01:00:22,079
accepted by our governments and medical

1290
01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:24,180
community I thank you so much for coming

1291
01:00:28,930 --> 01:00:25,980
on today

1292
01:00:33,230 --> 01:00:28,940
thank you sir and have a good afternoon

1293
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:33,240
man what a guy Dr Bowen blowing minds

1294
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:35,940
and healing bodies with light-based

1295
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:39,480
medical therapies and therapy research

1296
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:42,960
someone who has been on The Cutting Edge

1297
01:00:49,250 --> 01:00:46,140
of not only developing and looking into

1298
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:49,260
practical uses of this therapy but

1299
01:00:54,109 --> 01:00:51,720
blazing the path for it to be more

1300
01:00:55,309 --> 01:00:54,119
readily available to people like you and

1301
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:55,319
I

1302
01:01:03,109 --> 01:01:00,960
the hard questions to

1303
01:01:05,569 --> 01:01:03,119
not skipping a beat I think it's

1304
01:01:09,650 --> 01:01:05,579
apparent our medical field and future

1305
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:09,660
has some brightness coming its way I

1306
01:01:16,329 --> 01:01:12,359
love that pun Dr Bowen

1307
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:16,339
sent our way and this is all the while

1308
01:01:21,950 --> 01:01:19,260
avoiding the pitfalls of opioid

1309
01:01:25,069 --> 01:01:21,960
addiction for pain management

1310
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,079
I can only hope that the efforts by Dr

1311
01:01:31,130 --> 01:01:28,319
Bowen and people like him will bring

1312
01:01:35,210 --> 01:01:31,140
insurance companies to step up to the

1313
01:01:38,089 --> 01:01:35,220
plate and spend a little to save a lot

1314
01:01:39,710 --> 01:01:38,099
and not just save a lot of money but

1315
01:01:42,349 --> 01:01:39,720
save a lot of lives

1316
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:42,359
until next time keep your eyes to the

1317
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:44,700
skies feet on the ground but don't